Prime Minister Modi Inspecting Guard of Honour

Prime Minister Modi Inspecting Guard of Honour

Friday, February 18, 2011




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Nair said...

Dear Raju,
Please see the cleverness of the Air Force. The heading of the Certificate is "Diploma in Mechanical Eng..". Why it is "diploma" when the AF itself is certifying in the said certificate that you have served fifteen years in the Air Force. Rather, the heading should have been worded as "Degree in Engineering". Please take up the issue and return the certificate. It is a right earned through struggle. It is not alms given to third rate citizens (Airmen) by the "Royal Officers" of the Indian Airforce. Fight for the real cause.IT IS OUR RIGHT.

Tapu said...

Dear Raju Sir,

The Officer dominated force always trying to put some clause on our privileges. Since you have struggled a lot, please return the certificate and fight for the heading Certificate DEGREE IN MECHANICAL ENGINEERING.

I completed 8 yrs of service when i got discharge from service. Am I eligible for getting Diploma Certificate.

Please forward the details to

Nair said...

Dear Tapu,
You are eligible to receive Diploma Certificate provided you have successfully completed the Conversion Course (Fitter)

kadali said...

I strongly endorse the views of Mr. Nair. Heading of Certificate should have been "Degree in ----- Engineering". Viewers may be informed whether any protest is made to rectify the same.

I take this opportunity to inform about me that I am an Ex-Sgt GP-I Rdo/Fit from 18-08-1978 to 31-08-1993. After discharge practiced as ADVOCATE for 3 years. Presently working as Senior Manager (Personnel) in the IDA pay scale of Rs.36600-62000 in NMDC Ltd (A Navratna CPSU).

Best wishes to the members.

Dr Rajan said...

what are we going to do to get a result regarding the certificate Mr Nair and Mr KRK Rao ?. Let us discuss about it.

Dr Rajan Ex IAF Sgt

Nair said...

last sentance of para 3 the High court verdict (in CWP No 12505 of 2009- decision dated 15.07.2010) is clearly violated by the AF in the certificate issued by naming it as 'Diploma in Engineering'.

kadali said...

As a first step, bring it to the kind notice of CAS for immediate rectification of such certificates as said verdict is being deliberately improperly implemented by AFRO.

Dr. Rajan and Mr. Nair, to my understand, conclusion at para 2 of the said verdict appears to be inconsistency with para 1. pls enlighten me.

Nair said...

Dear Kaladi,
Para 2 states that the Certificates issued on 12-12-2008 and 13-03-2009 to the appellants having the wording as 'Diplome in Engineering' but the personeel since served for ten years in respective trades with the so called diploma are entitled for a ertificates having wording as 'Degree In Engineering'
Para 3 enjoins the AF to issue a Certificate in 'Degree in Engineering' in terms of the the OM dated May 26, 1977.

Nair said...

Dear Kadali and Dr.Rajan,
Is it anyone's imagination the damage done by the IAF to its loyal Fitters (Gp-I)by hiding the OM dated 26th may 1977 (See the OM quoted in the certificate issued Sgt PV Raju). It is known to everyone about the shortage of Engineers in 1980's. Had the IAF issued the 'Degree in Engineering' to its Ex-Fitters then, they could have reached very high level positions in engineering posts. You may recall, the 'Graduation certificates' issued then were only meant for Group C & D posts whereas with this 'Engineering Certificate' they/we could have applied for Gazetted posts. Who is responsible for this?. Why IAF hidden it?. Who will compensate the loss?.Earlier the certificates were issued by the CO or CengO. Now who authorised the AOC, AFRO to issue such certificates. Think on these lines and line of actions to fix the responsibility on IAF so that colonial thinking of the Royal Officers could be checked.

kadali said...

Excellent acceptable / understandable interpretation. Its really appreciable.

Secondly, great injustice / loss had been done by IAF to the deserving Ex-S by depriving their legitimate right to employment with the Degree in Engineering instead of Diploma in Engg.. It may tantamount to Human Rights violation under Section 2(d) of the Protection of Human Rights Act, 1993, which defines “human rights” means the rights relating to Life, Liberty, Equality and Dignity of the individual guaranteed by the Constitution or embodied in the International Covenants and enforceable by courts of India. It is also affecting Right to Life under Article 21 of the Constitution of India. Still it is continued to do such irreparable loss to deserving Ex-S by depriving their deserving certificate i.e. Degree in Engg..

Primarily CAS is answerable / responsible for improper implementation of Competent Court orders and then the officer responsible to execute such orders. Only remedy lies to file “Contempt of Court’ and to ascertain the damage in terms of financial loss and fix liability to recover from erring official so that deliberate wrong doings can be avoided.

CO or CengO is the Competent Authority to issue such certificates during the service period of Ex-S. After cessation from service, perhaps AFRO might be the Competent Authority to issue any certificate to Ex-S as all records will be available with them. However, the reasons for shift in procedure for issuing such certificates can be ascertained by invoking provisions of RTI Act.

Nair said...

Dear Kadali,
I think a very few people watch our comments on this web.

So what are we going to do?
Is there any Ex.S association dominated by the Ex-IAF- who can initially take up the issue with the concerned authority.
The defence service has only created fear in its men. How to enlighten them and bring them under an umbrella to fight for their rights.

Nair said...

All energy exhausted or not?

Anonymous said...

Hi All
It is good to see a blog,the cause,contents.
1.What is the stand as of now?
2. what is the procedure there of or steps to get the certificate with a header of the certificate as "Degree in engineering".

Hi Nair, I think you are the best source of information on this.

Some one above expressed doubt that if any one would see this blog,
No doubt people see this, How ever I suggest to not to vent our vengeance,pointing or blaming the system or officers. That would send bad signals.

Many would visit the blog, and people would like to subscribe to the feed for their forums,the kind of content presented would prevent them from doing so.

No harm in expressing what we should get,but blaming remarks will do more harm than any good.

All the best my freinds
Krishna Badarla
Enigine Fit

Anonymous said...

Also, the court directive should have been clear on the issue of certificates.
1.the issue of Diploma and
2.The issue of Degree in Engineering,
The Air force Authorities have interpreted the direction as a single certificate. (Be it intentionally or unintentionally that doesn't matter here

May be we could follow up the case and get the clear directive from the court. What do you say guys?
Should we go about it?

Krishna Prasad Badarla

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Mohanan said...

The Pay commission art 430 Table 112 mentioned for Sgt Gp.X Diploma holder. Most of the people didnt get the benifit because the Babus is the banks are pen pushers from air force. In my case he refuced to take up the case and I am on correspondence with the great AFRO since 7 months. It means I also has to court to get the stuff!

I am a Rdo/fit served 17.5 yrs in af. What is the procedure to get the Engineering Degree certificate from AFRO and how long it will take?

The Punjab & Haryan HC verdict is a land mark and I appriciate Mr. Rohtash Kumar Nehra.

Thanks & Regards,

Mohanan Ex.Sgt

RENU said...

You are the best source of information. Shortly I will give comments on Graduation & Technical degree issued by AFRO.

Ex JWO B Kashyap

Anonymous said...

Hi friends, I am Ex JWO SK Shrivastava, Rdo/Fit. I remember grant of degree certificate was demanded from the C Eng O but it was vehemently refused without giving proper reason. Thanks to our fighters who got the job accomplished through court of law. Now, it is surprising that the certificate which has been designed is full of bias and prejudice that is going to jeopardize our technical back ground and future ahead. The certificate given by AFRO has not passed through any sort of expert committee(it seems) which could have suggested proper theme. It is just photo copy of the certificates that were sold in the premises of AFRO designed for Deploma formalities.


Dear brothers,
I belonged to Radio Technician trade. We have been issued with Diploma. Am I eligible for the degree. Is there any note on X-Group. I am badly in need of this certificate as I am working as a professor in Engineering college. I have completed MCA, MPhil, M.Tech., Ph.D. But the AICTE insists that one should have basic degree in engineering. If I get this I can fight for some period. Can any one through light on this. My mail id is

mahendra said...

my dear airmen brethren, i belong to the ES28 batch instfit, served in canberra and AN32, jus returned from uk were there is no more jobs and i am considered to be old, looking for jobs to survive if you have or come across pls suggest.

Agree with Mr.NAIR of his comments on the degree certificate, if anything i can do i will leave chennai to newdelhi in january last and see the AFRO officials face to face. provided if i get any opportunity in chennai.

so pls do suggest me any opportunity pls cheers.

TANMOY DAS said...

Dear sir, I am an esm since 01/06/2011. I served IAF for 26yrs as an Eqpt/Asst. Am I eligible to be issued with diploma certificate pertains to my trade? Are we eligible to get degree certificate from IGNOU through Aakashdeep Project?

Anonymous said...

dear fellows, when will the govt revoke the SNLR clause of 1984? or the officers will continue to use it to flush out daring airmen with it?

Anonymous said...

Hi Sirs or Dears,
The Degree u have been offered is a classic one - have no percentage, no gradation, eligible for gazetted post of group 'C' or 'D' ???? Is there any clause for age relaxation of 10 or 15 years? What will u do with the certificate which doesn't have any weitage w.r.t Civil Engg Degree???? Ex-S R Mukhopadhyay

Anonymous said...

What is the use of achievers who have got or attained many things in there lives but produce nothing but a big zero except displaying their qualifications on the wall. Come on guys, do something different what is not done before & implement practically ur knowledge achieved so far.....
ESM R Mukhopadhyay?????????

Ex Cpl Rajagopalan said...

congratulations Ex sgt Raju! Good work! Thanks for publishing details and posting the copies of the certificates!!

kadali said...

Information received under RTI Act,2005 from Air HQ (VB) vide letter no. Air HQ/23401/204/4/3247/E/PS dated 27.03.2012 in response to my application dated 24 Feb 12 addressed to CAS is reproduced below:

“It is intimated that as per the Court Order passed in CPW No. 12505/2009, both the petitioners were issued with ‘DIPLOMA IN ENGINEERING WITH ANNOTATION AS EQUIVALENT TO DEGREE IN ENGINEERING’ certificates as per the specimen received from Air HQs. Referring the above Court Order 733408 Ex Sgt Dharmendra Kumar Choudhary had also represented for issue of said certificate. This office had approached Air HQs for decision on the same. Air HQs vide letter No. Air HQ/40802/7/PA-I dated 31 May 11 replied that the subject matter is still pending at Hon’ble Court of P&H at Chandigarh and Ministry of HRD. The final decision of the Hon’ble High Court and Ministry of HRD are still awaited. The subject request will be considered subsequent to receipt of decision from the Hon’ble Court and Ministry of HRD.”

kadali rao

kapil gawas said...

Dear all,

Can anybody verified that the certificates issued by Army Aviation/Air Force/Navy are AICTE approved...Can one can do further studies based on that?

Please reply me



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Anonymous said...

Is there any new information on the CONFUSION regarding issuee of Diploma Certificate and Degree Certificate in Engineering? Obviously, if an airman is entitled to a Degree in Engineering by virtue of his length of service as a Gp X Tradesman, it is to be SUPERSCRIBED as DEGREE IN (XYZ---The Branch)ENGINEERING and not hand over a Diploma in Engineering certificate with a few lines scribbledin it as Equating it with Degree in Engineering.

Anonymous said...

THERE IS A NEW SCANDAL ....THE IAF ALONG WITH IGNOU HAS TAKEN Rs 750 from Around 44000 Airmen (Includes both serving and retired) amounting to Rs 3,30,00,000(Approximate figure...I will give the correct figure in the coming days.
The money was collected for award for certificates, diplomas and associate degrees to airmen as per their Trade and length of training along with the trades.
2 YEARS HAVE ALREADY PASSED AND NO INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ON THE AWARD OF THE CERTIFICATES, DIPLOMAS OR ASSOCIATE DEGREES.It is difficult for serving Airmen to file RTI as there is chance that they may be victimised in such a case.
IF THE CUMULATIVE AMOUNT had been PUT IN AN FD ACCOUNT BY IAF/IGNOU, IT WOULD HAVE GENERATED MORE THAN Rs 48,00,000(YES...I MEAN Rupees Forty Eight Lakhs) in 2 years at 8% interest on the FD.


What is the final result of the Degree in Engineering Certificate? Any progress on this issue????

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Hi all, I am an Ex-IAF personnel with over 12 years of service in group-X trade. I approached for M Tech admission with the Equvalent Certifiacte (Diploma in Engineering with over 10 years of technical service equivalent to Degree in Engg)issued by AFRO, But it was rejected by the university stating that they need proof of equivalence of that certificate from either AICTE or AIU or MHRD. Please any help. Its Urgent.

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kadali said...

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Plz invoke RTI Act to obtain copy said MHRD's OM referred in the Certificate. Further, do search in the Web site for said OM. U can find some useful information.

I am not getting option to upload some PDF files of Court Judgments favouring the said OM.

SinghSaab said...

Really appreciable work, Good to see some nice people are sharing their thoughts here.Can't a work experience certificate be issued to an airman for the work that he has done in the posted unit.?If an non technician is working in technical field why can he be issued a work experience certificate for the work he has put in during his posting tenure. Why Chief Technical Officer does not want to sign the cerificate? What should be the procedure to get it to excel in career.??
Waiting for a sincere reply

Anonymous said...

Good day to All,
One of our Ex colleague has opted to go for Higher studies with IAF issued Degree in Engineering(equivalency certificate)
may not serve the purpose coz the P&H high court order and referring OM it is written as for the job purpose where the degree of engineering is required not for higher studies.
And in respect of heading of the certificate let they give the same heading rather it does not make any difference as the content gives clear picture of the validity. However with our friends request and struggle if the heading matter materialize it is an high range achievement.

chandira said...

Dear All This certificate is valid for why to worry The MHRD and Union Govt has approved it and the same status approval as AMIE. I have letters Surge ahead to get a job

Ranganath Chakraborty said...

Hello everyone,

Seasons greetings to all.

Can anyone guide on how to approach IGNOU to get issued with the Degree Certificate? I have left in Dec 2006 and used to bear service number # 716490-G. I had taken certificate on a request from my then Commanding Officer Wg Cdr D Murali, but was not recognized by then HRD, India to attest it. Are they doing HRD attestation for this issued certificate? How can we get evaluation sheet/transcript in support of this certificate? Much appreciated your informative response ASAP, please.


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Manikantan A M said...

Sir,How to get the aicte approval letter for verification?


Hello Sirs,
I am an Air Veteran, leaving service after 18 years in 2012. As my discharge was premature and i did not go for formal final clearance, I could not obtain my trade experience certificate.

Now I need this certificate. I would be so grateful if anyone of you may plese guide me to whom shall i contact or pursue correspondence for getting this certificate.

Feel free to contact me at

Thanks in Anticipation


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thank in advance

Naresh Moun said...

is this applicable for non tech trade also. means as an eqpt asst will i get degree in material management after 20 yrs instead of diploma in material managment.

Naresh Moun said...

but as i know only a university can issue degree certificate. orgganisation like IAF, Army, IIM, IIMM they cant issue degree certificate. they can issue only diploma certificates. they can issue degree certificate after collabration with any ugc approved univercity. like nda cadets bein issued BA degree from JNU delhhi.

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